Check and adjust the timing

Update October 2023:

Well, its more than 10 years since I published the guide below on timing the PE150. According to Google analytics, it is the most popular landing page on my site with more than 10,000 visits since publication. And I know from the comments that I get (some of which are published at the end of the guide), that people still find it helpful. So I just thought I'd add this to let you know that I'm still here and if you're new to this guide, assure you that it is still current and has been found useful by hundreds of PE150 owners. Good luck!

This tutorial is based on the PE150. I expect it will also apply to the entire range PE100 - PE200.


After completing all the steps in this tutorial you will have removed the bottom plate and needle plate, and adjusted the hook timing. There isn't much variation in the order of the steps so I recommend you follow each step in the order it is presented.

Introduction

From time to time, and perhaps as a result of a thread jam or too infrequent cleaning, the hook timing on the PE150 can slip.

The symptoms of a timing slip are a failure to collect the thread from the bobbin (resulting in incomplete embroidery and possibly a thread bunch under the embroidered design), excess noise and perhaps a broken needle. For machines inexplicably fitted with a black plastic outer rotary hook (rather than a nice shiny metal one), a timing slip can result in damage to the rotary and inner hook. In this event, replacement of these two items is required and the parts are about £80. If funds allow, the plastic outer hook should be replaced with a metal one. The appropriate inner hook will also be required if changing from plastic to metal.

So, having confirmed there is no damage to either hook or replaced the broken items as necessary (tutorial to follow in due course), the timing can be reset by following these simple steps.

Note: this procedure is just about covered in the Brother Service Manual. The steps set out below are intended to supplement the procedure recommended by Brother.

Step 1.

Follow Steps 1- 3 and 5 of the Take it apart tutorial.

Note that you will also need a small allen key or hex key.

Step 2.

With the machine resting on its side, use an allen key to loosen (but not remove) the two grub screws in the rotary hook shaft pulley (highlighted in the image). The rotary hook should now turn freely.



Step 3.

With the machine in the normal operating position, use a finger to carefully turn the outer hook (left or right ways), such that the actual hook is immediately behind the needle. No need for too much precision at this point.



Step 4.

Turn the handwheel anti-clockwise one full turn (to confirm normal operation of the needle mechanism) and then continue turning anti-clockwise so that the needle completes its downward travel and commences its upward travel. Stop turning the handwheel once the needle has completed approximately 2mm of upward travel. For reference, a UK 20p piece is about 2mm thick. If the rotary hook moves during this procedure, hold it still using a finger.

Once the needle is at the correct height, use a finger to finally adjust the rotary hook so that the actual hook is immediately behind the needle, as per the image below.


Step 5.

Either:
  • turn the machine onto its side; or
  • very carefully position the machine so that the front end is hanging over the edge of your work place;
and retighten to the grub screws in the rotary hook shaft pulley. The object here is that neither the needle position or that of the rotary hook is disturbed prior to the retightening of the two grub screws.

Step 6.

Confirm the timing is now correct by turning the handwheel anti-clockwise and observing the position of the hook and needle once the needle has completed about 2mm of upward travel. The actual hook should be right behind the needle. If necessary, repeat steps 2 - 5, above. Otherwise, refit the inner hook, needle plate and base plate of the machine and then embroider a test pattern to confirm that the timing is now correct.

Postscript

If you are having frequent problems with timing slip then check out this post!



21 comments:

  1. Thank you! I've been trawling the net for a fix for my recently purchased PE150. I only went with it twice and it made a great racket before not picking up any thread from the bobbin. I'm about to put it back together-I'll let you know how I get on! Nikki

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  2. thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!
    you saved me a bundle of cash.......

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  3. Also have a PE150 not picking up the thread AGAIN. Had it professionally "repaired" once but its gone again - so will try your tutorial. Very helpful - thanks. Bob

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    1. Thanks Bob!

      Following the tutorial will get your machine timed up correctly. If the problem still remains then the cause could be one of a couple of things. Drop me a line here if you need to know more about that.

      Cheers

      Dave

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  4. Hi,
    Thanks for the tip. My bobbing thread suddenly wasn't being picked up. After doing as instructed, the bobbin thread gets picked up now. But now the top thread gets tangled around the bobbin. Is the timing still off or does something else need to be adjusted? I tried setting the timing several times thinking it might be slightly off but the same thing happens.

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    1. Hi

      Well, this could be a number of things. Here's a random list of things that I'd be considering:

      - check that the correct thread is being used
      - check that the bobbin is the correct one for the machine, is fitted the correct way round and is properly wound (if it's a home-wound bobbin)
      - check the inner hook for damage caused by the timing slip, partuclalry needle pricks which can snag the thread. If the outer hook is a black plastic one, also check that - a timing slip can cause the needle to hit the outer hook and break part of the top edge off causing snags
      - check the upper thread tension and inspect each of thread points for cleanliness, particularly at 3 and 4 (a build up of lint or a bit of thread stuck here will cause havoc with your tension...).
      - check that the needle is not bent or damaged
      - check the lateral position of the needle; having completed the downward stroke, the back edge of the needle shouldn't be more than 1mm away from the inside egde of the outer hook.
      - check main needle bar for wear (if it noticeably waggles about then there's a problem).

      Have a look at all that and if the problem persists or you want some more info on any of the points, just drop me a line.

      Cheers

      D

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  5. thankyou very much we bought a 150 second hand it was not working but after reading and down loading the manuels from your site i managed to take it to bits and found the upper shaft gear loose after tighning it up adjusting the timeing adjusting the neddle shft etc it is working [i have never worked on a sewing machine ets before] again thanyou for your information

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    1. Blimey - you'll be putting me out of a job next, lol. But I'm glad you managed to sort it - once it's in bits on the bench you think "well actually, it's just like clockwork!"

      Regards

      Dave

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    1. Sorry but I'm not sure what you need. The instructions above contain everything for timing the needle.

      Regards

      Dave

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  7. Thank you for the information. I haven't used my PE180D in several years. In the middle of of completing my first design, the needle broke. tried several things but it would not sew anything. Then realized that it was not picking up bobbin thread. If not for your article, I would have brought it somewhere for repair. I could see that the needle was way off from the hook. Found out that the set screw from the rotary hook had completely come out and was rolling around when I took the bottom plate off. The other was very loose. Tried adjusting 2 or 3 times to make sure the needle position was no more than the 2 mm on the upward travel. Then it worked perfectly. Very precise instructions. Thank You!!!!!

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    1. Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you found the advice helpful. I don't use these machines anymore but lots of people still do - this tutorial is the most popular landing page on my blog! Good luck!

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  8. Thank you SO MUCH for this tutorial! You are a life saver! I was so upset about my machine PE200, not picking up the bobbin thread. I was so glad my husband found your page. Much much appreciated!!!
    On another note, do you know much about fixing the AUTO CUTTER on the PE150-200?? Mine isn’t working properly and I’m upset about that. :( would love to know how if you can help? (i have already cleaned out all the stuck threads and lint. Not sure what is wrong with it still)
    Thanks a million!
    Heidi

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  9. You're very welcome and thanks for the comment. Not sure about the auto cutter issue - I haven't ever had a problem with that but like most things, the problem is probably just excess lint. Perhaps there's a bit hiding away somewhere that you've missed?

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  10. Sewing along bent the needle but I noticed the bobin was hitting to cause this. I took out the bobin I must have done something as I took it out . Now replacing it the bobin holder attached to the machine no longer turns help!

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    1. That sounds like the outer hook (the thing that the bobbin holder sits in) has slipped. If the machine is turning freely by hand, try following the tutorial above to reset the timing. Along the way you may find that the grub screws that attach the gear to the lower part of the hook have come loose (see the picture at Step 2, above) with the result that the gear turns but the hook doesn't.

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  11. Very glad to have helped and thank you for your comment. This blog doesn't get much traffic but of all the pages, this one on timing gets the most hits! It pleases me greatly to know that people are following my guide and saving money at the same time! Have a nice day!

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  12. Good evening Dave - just a quick thank you for your site and for your notes.

    Familiar story: was working, then it wasn't; bobbin thread not picking up > much hair pulling and blue language, internet trawl, then discovered your site.

    Timing was indeed out, and your blog had the machine up-and-running in about 20'! So helpful, particularly with it being Sunday, so finished project.

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    1. So glad you found this helpful. It is still the most popular post on my blog! Thanks for the comment, Austin.

      Regards

      Dave

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  13. I have a problem with the outer rotary hook not turning. Only found the real problem after buying an inner rotary hook and checking timing. How easy is it to fix this? Thanks, Linda

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    1. Hi and thanks for the comment. This will most likely be due to the grub screw in the outer hook shaft pulley coming loose (possibly due to a build-up of lint or thread under the actual hook). Try following the timing guide - if the grub screws are loose but still present, they simply need re-tightening as part of setting the timing.

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